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Sunday, December 21, 2008
Vietnam Clouded An Era

 VIETNAM DOMINATED EVERYTHING, JANE FONDA
 
Ladies and gentlemen I'd like you to meet our cast, I think you'll enjoy these mementos of an era. Merry Christmas and enjoy.:
 
Jim Morrison of the Doors had a dad who was Captain of the boat that started the Vietnam War  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbJLwk-bJaA
 
Bonnie and Clyde, Bardot, Serge Gainsbourg
 
Riots
 
Night of The Living Dead 
 
Vietnam dominated everything
 
The Good, The Bad and the Ugly
 
The Allman Brothers, with Duane
 
Jerry Lewis, here with drummer Buddy Rich
 
Protests began
 
 
 
Aleister Crowley 
 
Robert McNamara
 
Rosemary's Baby
 
LSD, Timothy Leary
 
Madame Ngo Ninh Nhu gives a startling response to the Buddhist monks' self-immolations to protest the Diem government in 1963.
 
her bio
 
The Wild Bunch
 
Music before riots 
 
Bob Hope
 
Films showing up on TV after not being released for years suddenly grabbed audiences and re-started many careers. Then theaters opened that only did revivals of old films- and college walls were adorned with The Three Stooges, Mae West, W.C. Fields, Groucho and oh yeah,Raquel Welch in ONE MILLION YEARS B.C. But that's a different story
 
 
 
 
Joey Heatherton
 
Jane Fonda (first person I cover below)
 
Chicago riots 1968
 
Westmoreland
 
 
 
Barbra Steisand 
 
 
Protest movement
 
Introducing Jane Fonda
 
Quote:
You don't know America if you don't know the Jane Fonda cult. Or rather, the anti-Fonda cult. At places where soldiers or former soldiers congregate, there'll be stickers of her likeness on the urinals; one is an invitation to symbolic rape: Fonda in her 1980s 'work-out' costume, her legs splayed, pudenda at the bulls-eye. Every night at lights-out midshipmen at the US Naval Academy cry out 'Goodnight, bitch!' in her honour. They've learned, Carol Burke writes in her study of military folklore, Camp All-American, Hanoi Jane and the High-and-Tight, what you learn at all the service academies: 'that being a real warrior and hating Jane Fonda are synonymous.'[*]When Maya Lin's Vietnam Veterans Memorial was built on the Washington Mall, well-organised veterans who criticised it as the 'gook monument' – Lin is Chinese-American – were allowed to open their own kiosks nearby. These became the cult's temples, the places to buy its sacraments and phylacteries; bumper stickers, for example, saying 'Jane Fonda: John Kerry with Tits'. Phyllis Schlafly and Tom Wolfe have both described the memorial wall as a 'monument to Jane Fonda'.
A set of urban legends has sprung up around her visit to Hanoi in the summer of 1972: a prisoner of war, ordered by his captors to describe his 'lenient and humane' treatment to the visiting actress, spat on her instead and was beaten almost into blindness; prisoners secretly gave her their social security numbers to prove their existence to the outside world – Fonda turned the numbers over to their captors and men were supposed to have died from the beatings that followed. The reliability of such tales is suggested by a piece that appeared in the Washington Times, a right-wing daily, in 1989: a former pow, Air Force Major Fred Cherry, recalled Fonda's voice ringing out over the prison public address system during an 'extended torture siege' in 1967. Fonda didn't speak out against the war until 1970.
The cult matured in the 1980s when America finally began to accept that it had lost a war which hadn't been worth fighting in the first place. UNQUOTE
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v27/n22/perl01_.html

I don't like Jane, but only because she quit making hot movies like BARBARELLA. I did meet her in her very isolated world (she had stopped communication with men and was with a female folk singer) and I'll get to that eventually.

When she made her stupid trip to Nam she betrayed the soldiers alright- but not the ones you think. Have friends who really hate Jane Fonda?- email them this quiz:
 
#1: DO YOU BELIEVE WE FOUGHT THE VIETNAM WAR TO WIN? If you say no, guess what? THAT MAKES YOU A PROTESTER TOO!
#2: Barry Goldwater called LBJ out. He said that we were going to Nam and LBJ was lying when he said we weren't. The groundwork was already done. The press attacked Goldwater for calling LBJ a liar. LBJ ran an ad implying Goldwater would nuke Nam. America voted for the peace candidate. LBJ then engineered a fake attack at the Gulf of Tonkin TWICE to send troops in. IS IT OK FOR A PRESIDENT TO FAKE AN ATTACK TO START A WAR? If you say no, guess what? YOU ARE A PROTESTER.
#3. Vietnamization had already impacted he war when Jane went. Less troops were being sent in, and soon torture and murder had stopped in the camps to help along the talks, REMEMBER? ( By the way, We didn't "leave POW's behind", we now know through KGB documents after the fall of Russia, pilots were taken to Russia, interrogated and killed). By the way, LBJ and Nixon knew Russians were involved but never told us. Do any of you have stickers of LBJ and Nixon in your urinal? I mean, please!
#4. Goldwater said if we couldn't win within 1 year he would withdraw all troops because Vietnam had no significance for us.
What would America be like if in 1965 if we had left Nam, again in 1965? WHY AREN'T YOU MAD AT LBJ? Instead of some dumb actress?
#5. When Jane went to Nam it was 60 days before her film F.T.A. was to come out. She had toured near military bases and drawn TENS OF THOUSANDS OF ANTI-WAR SOLDIERS. Soldiers were being sentenced to jail for publishing anti-war papers, holding sit ins and demonstrations. All of them wanted that movie to show what they were doing. After Jane went to Nam, the film was withdrawn by the film studio, and those men's stories were never told. F.T.A. was never released, and those soldiers who risked jail to speak up were betrayed.
#6. What I am about to write is hated by the left and the right. Yet it pertains to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as much as it does Nam. VIETNAM WASN'T OURS TO WIN OR LOSE. Got it? ONLY THE VIETNAMESE COULD WIN OR LOSE NAM. Because we have never faced this, we are repeating the same mistakes all over again.

Posted at 02:15 pm by Psychomike

Mike Woloshin
December 21, 2008   09:07 PM PST
 
The anti-Fonda Cult still lives even after all these years! On a recent trip to Monroe, WI., I saw a guy in a restaurant wearing an "I Smell Jane Fonda" button. I was wearing my "Top Gun" hat and he asked if I was a Vietnam Vet; I told him that I was; I didn't mention that I was anti-war and a member of VVAW and VFP, the two major anti-war veterans' organizations! He immediately offered me the button, which I accepted. It now sits on a shelf, unseen, among my anti-war paraphernalia. It is not the kind of thing that I would wear in public, although I have told my friends about it. This cult will only die out when the last Vietnam Vet, who buys into this garbage, is dead!
Ryan
December 22, 2008   06:27 PM PST
 
The lnks took me back to the 60's. Thank you.
Cindy
December 26, 2008   06:17 AM PST
 

I'm still working my way through all the links, you did a great job with this post.

Joey Heatherton! I had forgotten abot her! The first link and the Westmoreland link shows they knew years before the big protests, the war wasn't winnable.

Wish they had said something then.
harry Brooks
December 26, 2008   10:39 AM PST
 
I remember all that
Sam
January 10, 2009   12:39 PM PST
 
I love the bit on Fonda! Too bad Goldwater didn't win!
 

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